KIDCLUB LOG: Saturday 1 November 2003 Topic: "Terrorism" PRESENT: Rean Steve Nitin Danika Liela Meghan ************ START OF LOG ************ [20:14] Is Rean here? [20:14] yw. ;-) [20:14] have we met before, nitin? [20:14] dunno [20:14] im here, i think we should begin now, looks like we're gonna be the only ones :) [20:14] yup [20:14] hi ppls [20:14] :-) I don't remember anything at all about you, so I am guessing that we have not met before. [20:15] :-) [20:15] leave it [20:15] i waz the guy who asked u bout Ihad [20:15] *** Danika has joined #kidclub [20:15] hi! [20:15] who just agitated u [20:15] hey! [20:15] hi, Danika [20:15] *** aSteveAway is now known as aSteveBBS [20:16] rean: r u a teacher [20:16] nope :) [20:16] sry, im back [20:16] kay [20:16] any teachers here? [20:16] ok, starting topic "Terrorism" [20:16] wb [20:16] how about to my neo pets? [20:16] *** J-Liela|Away sets mode: +o J-Liela|Away [20:17] To start off with, I think we can ask teh question: "Why are the terrorists doing these acts?", do you have any idea why? [20:17] Terrorism is one of the biggest disaster [20:17] *disaster [20:17] :O i know [20:17] coz they are not contented [20:17] with ppl [20:17] I think most Terrorism is about Religion, which is a very silly thing to Argue about [20:17] the gov [20:17] Then the iraci people get a bad rap! [20:18] yup liela's right [20:18] ty, i usualy am :P [20:18] let's see wat makes a terrorist [20:18] lol [20:19] brb [20:19] kk [20:19] what makes one..... [20:19] back [20:19] yup [20:19] wb [20:19] thinking that there way is the ONLY way [20:19] Lets see [20:20] way to achieve their goals [20:20] when some1 gets in adverse conditions [20:20] *** aSteveBBS is now known as a-steve [20:21] uh..... [20:21] wb Steve :) [20:21] ack, brb [20:21] *** Danika is now known as Dani [20:21] I am Dani [20:21] Or Danika [20:21] ty [20:22] back [20:22] yw, steve [20:22] wb [20:22] who can name some so-called "terrorist" organizations or groups? [20:22] lemme think [20:22] The President? [20:22] no wait [20:22] One person does not a group make. ;-) [20:23] sry, i thought you were asking who can say who a terrorist is or not [20:23] np [20:23] KKK [20:23] Klu Klux Klan [20:23] great! [20:24] ;) im good [20:24] i remembered some from my country [20:24] Who gets to say what groups are terrorists? [20:24] Naxi [20:24] Nazi* [20:24] The Prez [20:24] (Nazis?] [20:24] ya [20:24] NO [20:24] But some people believe that the USA is terroristic. [20:24] yes [20:25] that is like saying my mom is black so that makes me black [20:25] Lets see... i know more, "Terrorists" [20:25] osama bin laden [20:25] opsama and sudam [20:25] osama* [20:26] How could we convince them that we are not, when we have biologists who are creating virii that current vaccines can not cure? Does that make us bio-terrorists? [20:26] what group does bin Laden run? [20:26] ("we" = USA, above; where I am) [20:26] War on Terror? [20:26] i dont know [20:27] These are messy questions, and I think that there is no shame at all in not having the answers at our brain's "fingertips". [20:27] can we change the sub i am feeling un comfortabale talking about ths.... [20:27] Dani, no :P [20:27] But I am delighted that paople are willing to discuss real problems at Kidclub! [20:28] but Danika, you dont have to talk here [20:28] *** Dani has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [20:28] people* [20:28] And I thand Rean for keeping Kidclub alive. [20:28] thank* [20:28] : [20:28] :P* [20:28] brb [20:29] back [20:29] wb [20:29] ty [20:29] :) anything that you think we can do to help prevent it? [20:29] our "small parts" ? [20:29] Is Rean going to join in, here? [20:29] oh. ;-) [20:30] lol [20:30] Well, i think that we could not argue which religion is right or wrong, that might help [20:30] right [20:30] oh, yes, thand = thank. :-) [20:30] :P [20:30] Yes, Liela. [20:31] but rel is not the only factor [20:31] im the Auto Correcter! [20:31] I think that all people would do well to let others have or not have their own god/s. [20:31] gods* [20:31] : [20:31] :P* [20:31] we read bout terrorism last month in civics [20:32] Steve, your right [20:32] not all other poeople have plural gods. ;-) [20:32] ty, Liela [20:32] one group is al-qaida [20:32] yw [20:32] were any answeres provided by your readings, nitin? [20:32] which readers sir [20:32] right, al-quaeda is bin laden. [20:33] sry [20:33] you said you read about terrorism. [20:33] wow, it took us about 15 min. to pretty much cover the topic of Terrorism [20:33] yup [20:33] yes sir [20:33] are we finished, Liela? [20:33] just a min [20:33] if anyone has anything other to say, no [20:33] did you find any answers to our common questions when you read that stuff, nitin? [20:34] i might know some other groups [20:34] just a min [20:34] Does anybody here come from a so-called third-world country? [20:34] i rd that it was on the ongoin natural disasters [20:34] oops [20:34] not natural [20:35] I don't understand what that means, nitin [20:35] Do Palestinians think of themselves as terrorists? [20:36] i think so [20:36] pak is the breedin country for terrorists [20:36] i think [20:36] I think that some may well do so. But I think that others see their approach to warfare as the only way they hve to get the attention of their much-more-powerful oppressors. [20:37] absolutely right [20:37] good point, nitin, but not "the"; how about "one of the"? [20:37] yup [20:37] one of the [20:37] :-) [20:37] others r [20:37] egypt [20:37] tunisia [20:38] moscow [20:38] Even USA can be seen to be a breedingground for terrorists: Timothy McVeigh [20:38] iraq [20:38] yup [20:38] surely [20:38] and in India-j and k [20:38] *** J-Liela|Away changes topic to 'Welcome to KidClub!!! Todays Topic is "Terrorism". (J-Liela) ' [20:38] that's jammu and kashmir [20:38] a state in India [20:38] None of you is old enough to remember directly, I guess . . . but do you know the old Pogo saying about meeting the enemy? [20:39] nope [20:39] whoz pogo [20:39] can ya xplain me [20:39] :-) Pogo was the main character of a comic strip in the 40s thru 60s [20:39] I guess he was a 'possum [20:39] he was wise [20:39] oh! [20:40] he said: "We have met the enemy, and he is us!". [20:40] *** nitin_g is now known as NitinG [20:40] What can we do to "fight" terrorism besides keeping off the streets so that we don't stop bullets? [20:41] world peace agencies [20:41] give all our money to UNESCO??? [20:41] a news from India rel to terrorism: [20:41] can't be lol [20:41] itz a comic strip [20:41] regardin bush [20:42] UN is a comic strip? [20:42] and india's pm [20:42] nope [20:42] what is the URL [20:42] im doing a web search on Terrorism [20:42] i read on the newspaper [20:42] me too [20:42] googlin [20:42] I'm not; I already know too much about it. ;-) [20:43] *** MeghanL has joined #kidclub [20:43] hmmm.... i got nothin [20:43] I'd rather know less because it did not exist. [20:43] Hi [20:43] hi, meghan [20:43] indian gov is givin 1 lakh to the person [20:43] hello.... [20:43] hi megh [20:43] hi nit. [20:43] sry meghan for that [20:44] *terrorist who surrenders his gun [20:44] asl nitin. [20:44] lol [20:44] 13/m/India [20:44] urs [20:44] plenty of hits on "terrorism" via Copernic Agent Basic, from http://www.copernic.com/en/index.html. [20:45] i found somthing [20:45] me... 9/m/toronto [20:45] a pic of the planes hitting the World Trade Center [20:45] saw that live on TV. [20:45] wow [20:46] US "Response to Terrorism" site at: http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/ [20:46] me too. [20:46] do u think osama even exists. [20:46] tough day, that [20:46] Nitin, would you like to see it? ill give you the Website [20:46] he does [20:46] *** NitinG has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [20:47] *** nitinG has joined #kidclub [20:47] back [20:47] wb [20:47] ty [20:47] the best way to prevent terrorism:education [20:47] Is "Peace on Earth" an achievable goal? [20:48] good, nitin [20:48] yup [20:48] of coz [20:48] What are the steps that must be taken to achieve that goal, then? [20:49] education [20:49] orgs [20:49] equality [20:49] And, does not the *kind* of education make a difference? For instance, how about the education of kids in Saudi Arabia to hate Americans and Jews? [20:49] brb [20:49] *Equality* is the key, I think. [20:50] ty [20:50] Why do so many people die each year in the deserts of Arizona, as they come in from Mexico? [20:50] they r refugees [20:50] What drives illegal immigrants to take such gambles with their own lives? [20:50] refugees from what? [20:51] from mex. to arizona [20:51] i think =lity is the best thing [20:51] what is it about Mexico or the other countries of origin that drive so many people to flow illegally into USA? [20:51] the poverty [20:51] yes [20:51] the hard life [20:51] adversity [20:51] yes [20:51] yes [20:52] that's wat leads to terrorism [20:52] So, if all places on Earth were as good as things are in Arizona, what would drive people to come to Arizona/USA? [20:53] ppl would stop goin to usa [20:53] :-) Then, maybe I could go elsewhere. ;-) [20:53] terrorist are made due 2 ignorance [20:53] isn't it? [20:53] back [20:53] ignorance made religion [20:53] wb [20:53] well, I think that they are made out of desperation. Suicide bombers must believe that they are doing *some*body some good, I think. [20:54] religion leads to terrorism [20:54] right? [20:54] im watching an online video of what happened on 9/11 [20:54] But if all on Earth had true opportunities to take care of their families and to achieve their goals . . . then what? [20:54] I don't think that religion need necessarily to lead to terrorism. [20:55] me2 [20:55] religion is a sub-fac [20:55] they don't have resources to take [20:55] care of their families [20:56] some terrorists r made of innocent ppl [20:56] I am a Deist. That means that I believe in God. But I also believe in your right *not* to believe in God and in anybody's right to believe in a special kind of God or Gods. I wish that all others were as clear about their own thinking on all that as I think I am. [20:56] whose relatives were murdered [20:56] by the army ppl [20:56] itself [20:56] revenge is a no-win emotion [20:56] yup [20:56] its a victory of dying over the dead [20:57] Is the only way to win over a population to kill all who disagree with you, as happened to American Indians, for the most part? [20:57] nope [20:57] im watching a slide show, now [20:57] any newz bout palestine [20:57] URl liela? [20:58] How can the rich help the poor without having their funds stolen instead by the warlords, for instance? [20:58] (example: Afghanistan, these days) [20:58] hold on [20:58] can u rephrase ur sentence steve [20:58] Rean? [20:59] im here [21:00] A problem with providing aid to poor country has been that the criminal beaurocrats never let the aid get to those who need it and for whom it was intended, nitin. Idi Amin is but one of many examples. Currently, warlords in Afghanistan are making it largely impossible to help those in need. [21:00] Who suggested this topic, Rean? [21:00] i did, because its a current topic of a problem the world is facing [21:01] very nice topic [21:01] Have you any thoughts to contribute, Rean? [21:01] Or are you hoping that us kids can do it all? ;-) [21:01] not anything in particular, but interestedin hearing the views of the Kidlink members :) [21:02] I'd really enjoy hearing more from you, Rean. [21:02] ;) [21:03] liela:u got url? [21:03] www.msnbc.com/modules/theweekinpictures/2001_archive/2001_0913.asp?0wp=n1&year=2001&num=152 [21:03] there [21:03] its long [21:03] q:why did the yanks attack iraq [21:03] ty [21:04] it's the show?? [21:04] ya [21:04] *** Danika has joined #kidclub [21:04] why did americans attack iraq [21:04] to obtain their oil [21:04] lol [21:04] no [21:05] wb [21:05] they started it, we finished [21:05] or, are finishing [21:05] nitin, my own answer to that is because Saddam Hussein was a monster who defied the agreements of the treaty he signed in 1991 or so. He was essentially asking to be taken out. USA could not afford to let his defiance stand unchallenged. [21:06] Iraqui oil will cost USA more to revive than could ever possibly accrue to USA benefit. Time will tell. [21:06] oh [21:06] *Iraqi* [21:06] o [21:07] USA really does pride itself on "Good Guy" image. Does not want to lose that. [21:07] I think becuse of a couple of people Iraqi poeple are getiing as bad rap! [21:07] I have no more time for this *great* discussion. Enjoy the rest of it. Bye4now, friends. :-) ~~~ [21:08] bye [21:08] cya [21:08] *** a-steve has quit IRC (Quit: ) [21:10] anything else anyone would like to add? [21:11] nope [21:11] kay [21:11] lemme try [21:11] Good charlette on nick.com [21:12] kay [21:12] ok, thanks for coming and taking part;) [21:12] hope to see you next saturday, when our topic will be "Drugs" ********** END OF LOG **********