KIDCLUB CHAT SESSION Saturday 27 September 18:00 GMT ====================== TOPIC: "War and Peace" ====================== Present: Rean Katelyn Phil Meghan Daniel Sarah --------------------- [19:06] Todays' topic is war on peace: anyone have any starting topics? :) [19:06] what ever [19:07] tried to type somthing [19:07] didn't work [19:07] OK, who thinks that war is right in certain circumstances? [19:07] has it started yet [19:07] yaeh [19:07] brb [19:08] Well, [19:08] I don't think the war is right at al [19:08] i don't think anything is good about war :/ [19:08] all * [19:08] sometimes wars are needed, [19:08] like when? [19:08] yeah yall are right [19:08] like when USA was against Saddam [19:09] I don't think it was right, because to fight for peace, just doesn't seem right :) [19:09] ohh yeah [19:09] it doesn't sound right either [19:09] yeah [19:09] "war" for "peace" [19:09] has started yet [19:10] Sarah, this is it :P [19:10] Well, I think Saddam just got into the American's head and got what he deserved [19:10] it doesn't make any sence [19:10] though it doesn't make any sense [19:10] Daniel, but did all the innocent civilians that died deserve what they got? [19:10] yes, that's the part I hate the most [19:10] question is, if the USA didnt make war against Iraq, would Saddam have killed any innocent people? [19:10] i doubt it [19:11] he would have.. I think that if the americans didn't start this war, Saddam would have [19:11] But Daniel, you can't have war without people dying - so what do you think is more important? [19:11] nope [19:11] i quess in a way we stopped him from killing anymore ppl when we went after him [19:12] Meghan, true, but people are still dying [19:12] i know [19:12] American soldiers attacked a car carrying civilians today [19:12] that is bad [19:12] hmm well would Saddam have used his weapons? because if he would have, then lots MORE innocent people would have died [19:12] * dani has quit IRC (Quit: ) [19:12] Where is the evidence of these weapons of mass destruction [19:13] None have been found... did he have them in the firstplace? [19:13] ahh, only God knows where those are. [19:13] the thing is we don't know, so was it right for the US to assume? [19:13] why did he do that in the first place on 9/11 [19:13] i don't think we should have started a war after 9-11 [19:13] Sarah, Saddam wasn't responsible for 9/11 [19:13] because there killing the ppl over there not thinking [19:13] yeah i agree with meghan, but after 9/11 the US started 2 wars [19:13] 9/11 was just an excuse to start wars [19:13] well i wouldn't because of all the inicent ppl [19:14] they don't think there ppl but if u think they are ppl.they are us [19:14] they are milking the excuse 9/11 to use for every war [19:14] that is very very very bad [19:14] yes it is [19:15] then whos idea was 9-11 [19:15] Sarah, it's believed to be Osama Bin Laden [19:15] Osama Bin Laden ... it was a terrorist attack [19:15] it was Bin-Ladden or how ever u spell his name [19:15] oh yaeh I for got [19:15] did they ever get him [19:16] some miricals did happen that day [19:16] like what [19:16] I mean miricles [19:17] like the guy who was in his office were the plane hit the medal and everything went around him like a ball or bubble and he fell in that [19:17] Just some figures on the Iraq war: 6200 civilians killed, 37575 bombs dropped, 10200 Iraqi soldiers killed, 357 coalition soldiers killed, and $87 billion spent [19:17] it saved his life [19:17] wow [19:17] every1 is just crazy to spend that much! [19:17] and the US is asking the UN for more funds [19:18] thats crazy!!!! [19:18] OK, something else - what gives the US the right to go and bomb other countries? [19:18] nothing thats what! [19:19] yep [19:19] there ppl too over there [19:19] those ppl are exactly like us [19:19] we are at war it is the presidents right [19:19] that to [19:19] *too [19:20] Sarah why? Iraq has nothing to do with the US, the US should just look after themselves, not try and rule everone else [19:20] Daniel, you said you were for the war in Iraq... what are your views on this [19:20] u have a point [19:20] some of the ppl over there in Iraq were probebly dreaming to come here!for a better life!and what did we do?we took that dream and right from them.because we killed them [19:21] we don't have a right to take other ppls rights! [19:21] (in a whisper)and other ppls dreams [19:21] yeah I feel kinda bad for them [19:22] now they my never get to the USA! [19:22] it is unfair an unjust [19:22] may* [19:22] Meghan, forgive me, but I feel that your view is kindof elitest towards the US [19:22] Perhaps they just wanted to go on living there lives as normal? [19:22] elitest? [19:22] yep that just killed them [19:23] whats elitest? [19:23] Meghan... you say they probably wanted to come to the US - why should they? Don't you think they'd be happier at home? [19:23] you are so funny [19:23] yeah maby he is right [19:24] *mabey [19:24] they would but they probebly want to live in a more free enviroment! [19:24] not being kept up by sodom or however u spel it [19:24] yeah it is so hard to decide [19:24] spell* [19:24] wich one is right [19:24] *which [19:25] him or her [19:25] it is very hard [19:25] In that case, don't you think the war is right? Because now they don't have to live under saddam [19:25] i don't feel bad for killing Suddom or what ever because he killed thousands of his own ppl [19:25] I think at least [19:26] well hopefully they will get a better person than saddom [19:26] Meghan, the sanctions placed on iraq by the US killed thousands more [19:26] no I don't think the war is right [19:26] i mean if saddom isn't dead.... [19:26] yep [19:26] are we winning though [19:27] I wan't this war t be over [19:27] *want [19:27] * to [19:27] Sarah, the war is over, but the US are staying in Iraq [19:27] really I do [19:27] he'll come back [19:27] So that they can get the oil [19:27] It is very bad [19:27] I hate it [19:28] it is very anoying [19:28] he killed thousands of his own ppl because he wanted to test out a poisan or something!thats what my dad said anyway [19:28] hmm what about the war between the US and Afghanistan, about 2 years ago? [19:28] I mean it I will just say STOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP [19:28] we don't even now if bin ladden is dead!! [19:28] ?!? [19:29] Meghan, I have something to say in response to that - 'Hiroshima and Nagosaki' [19:29] ? [19:29] WHAT [19:29] whats that? [19:29] the 2 cities where the US dropped nuclear bombs [19:29] They are the cities where the US dropped atomic bombs [19:29] They are the only country to have ever used them [19:29] we acually dropped the bombs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [19:29] okay that is ine by me [19:30] Yes, in 1945 [19:30] just do some thing to stop the war [19:30] oh [19:30] that is all I ask [19:30] Sarah, what do you think should be done to help peace? [19:30] be nice to evry one [19:30] *every [19:30] i don't like every killing [19:31] hunting,war [19:31] those are the most i hate! [19:31] really [19:31] Is any war justified? [19:32] What about WWII? Was that justified? [19:32] what do you mean justifided [19:32] I am kind to evry thing though [19:32] I think WWII was, it's horrible that it started, but people had to help ... [19:34] ok.. now, maybe you can try this question.. [19:35] what would you do to make sure there's peace instead of war? [19:36] if every1 got along [19:36] What can you as a person do? [19:36] OK, I have a question along the same lines: Do you think there will ever be peace in the world? [19:36] yes, but it depends [19:36] (in a quiet voice)some of us might be able to make a difference [19:36] nope [19:36] it depends on us, [19:37] not a chance [19:37] it depends on the kids [19:37] we're going to be the future u know [19:37] not only on the Kids, I think.. it depends on each and every single person there is in the whole world.. if we want peace then we all should be nice [19:37] like daniel said it depends on us [19:37] brb [19:37] ok [19:38] Meghan, we've been warring for the past few thousand years, what makes you think we will stop now? [19:38] Daniel, how would you do that? [19:38] mm, I have no idea :) [19:39] Personally, I don't think there will ever be peace - it takes just a few people to start wars, and I think that it is part of humanity [19:39] Ohh, I got an idea [19:39] peace isnt just about being nice, thats the problem - people dont make war because they dont like each other, they make war because they want to get something out of it [19:40] Phil, I agree, but is there a difference between justified war and unjustified war? [19:40] there are kids from Iraq and kids from the US [19:40] I don't believe there is such a thing as a justified war [19:40] what would be a good start for world peace, is that the USA didn't go into war with all the countries against them. [19:40] they all became friends [19:41] if the kids can become friends why can't the adults? [19:41] It would be a good example if they joined other countries together and work as a team to stop war. [19:41] whats stopping them from being nice to each other? [19:41] Meghan, who knows? But people arn't, and thats the problem [19:41] I don't understand what makes people want to kill, but the fact is, they do, and they may never be stopped [19:42] If the USA started this war with Iraq, it was because they wanted to get something, and if you ask me, I think they wanted to get the oil so they don't depend on any other country, this way they would become the bestest country [19:42] i know thats what makes me feel like we might make a difference [19:42] because it is human nature to be selfish and greedy, everyone craves power... does this start war? [19:43] yep [19:43] It's scary if you think about it - we now have the power to destroy everyone living on earth [19:43] i mean like my mom said i'm probebly going to make a difference when i grow up [19:43] The old addage: Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absoulutly [19:43] i want to save the animals before they go extinct like the dinos [19:44] Meghan, the first step is saving humanity, before we go extinct [19:44] If humanity continues the way it has, we will self destruct [19:44] we've all gone power hungry.. [19:49] do you think that because of this war being started without a real reason, other wars could start without reason? [19:50] yaeh [19:50] yes absolutly! [19:50] who r u talking to? [19:50] me or her [19:50] The group ;) [19:50] thats why war never should have started! [19:50] so, what do we have to do to stop that? [19:50] Sarah, everyone [19:50] gtg [19:50] Bye, Sarah [19:50] bye bye byeby e bye [19:51] I don't want to leave but I have to [19:51] * SarahBurk has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [19:53] OK, what are your views on nuclear weapons? [19:55] I think it's a shame there are them, because anyone in control with them, could destroy anything/anyone [19:57] i hate them!!absolutly hate them!!they can destroy anything and thats just wronge! [19:57] Does anyone else have anything to add on the topic 'War and Peace'? [19:58] nope :) [20:00] nope [20:00] Then I guess it's done ;) [20:00] Well, that just about wraps it up ================================= END OF LOG =================================