Subject: Kidlink Age
Hi Patti:
I canīt find a lot of words in english to explain my opinion in this point. We discuss it al lot in Rio last year. I think that each county and each lenguaje have differents realities and we have to let them to
decide. Also the teachers in kidleaderXX can decide and plan the
projects to run, and the age of the students that can participate.
For example, we can do a history project, the litlle children donīt can
participated because they donīt know a lot of history. But if we are
runing a project like Stories and poems, the litles children can
parparicipated because the more litles have the most creativity.
Please Epi!!!! help if I make a mistake in some words.
No puedo encontrar un monton de palabras para explicar mi opinion sobre
este punto. Lo discutimos mucho en Rio el ano pasado. Pienso que cada
pais y cada idioma tiene diferentes realidades y diferentes
necesidades. Deberiamos dejar que los profesores de cada idioma
decidieran las edades de los chicos.
En las listas de Kidleaderxx ellos podran discutir, a la hora de llevar
a cabo un proyecto la edad de los alumnos que pueden participar. Por
ejemplo si vamos a realizar un Proyecto de historia, los mas chicos no
podran participar porque conocen poco de historia. Pero si vamos a
realizar un proyecto como Creando historias y poemas, los mas pequenos
deben participar porque ellos son los mas creativos y los que tienen
mayor frescura en sus expresiones.
About Kidcafexx, if the children participated in their ouwn lenguaje,
they can participated until 10 years. In spanish are some teachers that
would like to participated with students with 7 and 8 years. They send
messagges looking for others students. Is good to Kidlink that this
teachers works out off kidcafe or kidproj, I donīt know? We must make
the policy of Kidlink the most free posible to include a lot of
countries and a lot of teachers, no?
Acerca de Kidcafexx, si los alumnos participan en su propio lenguaje,
ellos pueden hacerlo antes de los 10 anos. En el area de espanol hay
algunos profesores que quisieran participar con ninos de 7 y 8 anos.
Han enviado mensajes buscando otros estudiantes de esas edades. Es
bueno para Kidlink que estos intercambios se realicen fuera de Kidcafe
o Kidproj. No se. Debemos realizar una politica de Kidlink que abarque
la mayor cantidad de paises y de profesores, no?
I donīt know if alls lenguajes have managers whith experience to work
whit the most litles, to make this experience, but spanish and english
have them.*Aprovechemos* this teachers and make some projects and then
*evaluar*.
No se si todos los idiomas poseen coordinadores en las listas con
experiencia en trabajo con ninos pequenos como para poder continentar
esta experiencia, pero espanol e ingles por la gente que conozco si los
poseen. Bueno aprovechemos la experiencia de estos docentes y probemos
en lanzar algun proyecto para los mas pequenos y luego evaluemosla.
Next week I buy a translator because write in english and spanish take
my a lot of time.
I canīt go to Copenhage, but this is my opinion.
I think that Kidleader make exists in each lenguaje, because is so
dificult to the teachers write in other lenguaje, sometimes they can do
but no a lot, because is so hard.
Besos
Sonia
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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 04:35:28 -1000
From: Patricia Weeg
Subject: Re: Do we REALLY want to change?
On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Lara Stefansdottir wrote:
> Friends,
> now that we are in the 4Q and age discussion once again, I think
> that we should do it formally and go through with it and use the
> formal methods.
- Make a formal proposal, my suggestion is to make one for the 4Q and another for the age younger than the current Kidlink age and another for older. Each can be accepted or denied during the procedure.
- Discussion on the proposal is opened in Kidplan. This makes it possible for every Kidlinker to join in and make comments. Then we can see if people REALLY want a
change.
I see.. so then we can make proposals but are still open for new ideas.
It is very important to make sure that our subscribers want the changes,
too. We won't know until we ask.
- We need to make sure that the Kidleader-nn areas know about it and have the opportunity to comment on it.
Very important. What we will do so that all see the various discussions
across the langauge areas? We will keep the TRANTEAM awake for hours!
;-)
- When this has been done one member of the board is needed to make the proposal to the board. He/she needs also one to second the proposal. So two people on the board are needed to make the proposal.
- The board votes
- The management team works on implementing/promote the change.
My view is that we should go through witht this before the Copenhagen meeting. Hopefully most of us will be there and if changes have been decided it will make it easier for us to implement them.
Definitely!
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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 05:41:12 -1000
From: Lara Stefansdottir
Subject: Re: Do we REALLY want to change?
Friends,
I think it should be at least two proposals, one on 4Q and
another about age. Then it might be an idea to have the
proposals on age two, one for younger than 10 and another
for older than 15. Then a teacher that does not want
the 4Q to change and doesn't want older than 15 year old
o participate has the opportunity to vote just on the
younger one.
Anyone can send the message to Kidplan. I think that the
best thing would be if people that feel very strongly
about changing would propose it to Kidplan. But then I
think it is important that we realize that no matter how
this goes it is not the end of the world;-)
>Are we asking people for their ideas/suggestions or are we presenting
>right away with some solutions that we have agreed on? Have we agreed on
>any? ;-)
Actually we don't have to agree on anything to make
the proposal to Kidplan. It is just before it goes
to the board when a formal proposal has to be clear.
How much it is formulated is up to this group.
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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:12:49 -1000
From: Lars-Erik Nilsson
Subject: Re: Do we REALLY want to change?
- Make 4q a project like any other project and make registration to
Kidlink compulsory.
- Take away the age restrictions.
- Let us remove moderation from the last moderated lists and free people
to support in a qualitative manner.
As lists have been created without prior discussions and other changes have
been made the same way I have been a bit hesitant about the procedure. If
procedure says discussion in Kidplan and formal proposal I move that we
take this discussion to Kidplan in an orderly manner setting times for each
question that should be discussed.
A moderator should be appointed for
every discussion. The task of the moderator should be to lead the
discussion and prepare the final proposition.
None of the questions are new
so I think two weeks should be enough for every discussion. If we start out
in the last week in August we should be able to have finished in good time
before Copenhagen.
Lars-Erik
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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 11:14:52 -1000
From: Bo Carselid
Subject: Efficiency
Friends,
I'm sorry I'm coming into this rather late. I've been on HOLIDAY I'm trying
to catch up...
To make a meeting effective and creative I think you need toe prepare
subject carefully and have distinct proposals to discuss and choose in
between. Also, you need relaxing and informal meetings around a cup of
coffe for example.
I dont think restaurants and cafes at many colleges and universetys and
other institutions are put in the center of the builing or the area. You
think and get along very well when you're out of the meeting room. Many
wise things are said during a break. You have to have a good time to be
creative.
Ok, so long from Sweden!
Bo
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:05:05 -1000
From: Hannah Sivan
Subject: Re: KIDPLAN discussion
Dear Friends,
I would like to add another one:
Keep Kidlink age as it is, but allow teacher participate in projects with classes of any age. the conditions should be:
- this is class participation only
- the participation will be via the class or the teacher's e-mail account
- if they want to take part in a project connected IRC activity - it should be on a Site registration
this will make sure that we keep the kids meet on the kidcafe and on the
IRC with kids of close age group.
If this is agreeable - we should also allow a class/group replay for the 4Q's - this will allow the teacher to work on this so that the answer will be a meaningfull introduction of the group.
Bye, Hannah
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 00:51:42 -1000
From: Bonnie Thurber
Subject: Re: kidlink participation (fwd)
Hi Patti and all,
I would love to be able to have some fourth graders in kidlink because the 4/5 class at my school cannot participate. However, that group is the only one that I wish could join in the projects. The straight fourth grade class members look at what their friends are doing in kidlink and look forward to joining in when they get into the fifth grade.
When I look at the kids in these grade levels as individuals, there are some fourth graders who are ready and some who are not.
On the older side, I like the modeling the high school team members do for the younger kids. I have found that local high school students in general really like to be in their own culture and if they are not in project to specifically model for the younger kids they leave them out and go on to do their "older" conversations.
I do think the ages 10 - 15 could sometimes be streatched to include a few but as a general rule this age group seems to work well. So, my vote right now, unless someone says it really is better for the students involved, is to keep the age limit the same. I do know it is hard to find a group of activities that are as good as the ones in kidlink and a group of people that are as wonderful to work with but I also think that one of the things that make Kidlink so wonderful is the fact that it has a focus of the
limited age group.
The more we add to either end of the age, the the more stretched we become. Teachers can go ahead and use kildink ideas to plan their own activities. They can share what they see with younger students. Maybe some one could start a list for teachers of kids under 10. Someone else could start a list for kidlink grads. I actually see one of the kidlink grads doing this!
I really am enjoying watching all the material and discussions that are going on in the lists. I do hope more of the discussions start taking place in kidleader because I think they would be good for that list to see.
Thanks,
BonnieT
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 02:54:53 -1000
From: Isamu Shimazaki
Subject: Re: Isamu's plans for a project
Hi, Patti,
thanks for your help on our new project.
Yes, KIDLINK age is our problem first. In Japanese schools,
- Elementary school------6-12
- Junior high school-----13-15
- senior high school-----16-18
In junior high school, English learning starts, at the age of 13. But maybe you know about Japanese education problem, this age group are very busy about learning to enter their senior high school. So it was not so many chance to join our KIDLINK.
As for educational theme, it is changing a little by little for our school system.
Some teachers in senior high school want to join their student on KIDLINK. but as you know our senior high school students are age of 16, not 15. So it is not allowed to join KIDLINK.
Some schools in senior change their school curriculum to use communicative ones. It is a chance to join KIDLINK and use English for their communication. 16-year-old students from Japan are much active for others. But could not join our KIDLINK.
I wish to widen our KIDLINK age limit a little bit 8-10=15-16 About 8,9 years old, I had been using internet several years with my students.
This is my idea from Japanese situation.
Isamu Shimazaki
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